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Welcome everybody to another episode of Connect the Knox.
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I'm Julia Hurley, Connecting Knoxville to the Nation.
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Today's guest is one of the most influential women in the Knoxville area.
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Somebody I know you've maybe seen, but didn't know the story
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behind the legend of Cortney Piper with Piper Communications.
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Cortney, thank you for being here with us today.
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Julia, thank you so much.
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That was a great introduction.
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I'm going to, you're just, you're going to have
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to introduce me the next time I speak somewhere.
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Yes, please.
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Just, I'll be a tag along.
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You tell me what event it is.
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It'll be, I'll be right there.
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Great, great.
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Or a package deal now.
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I like it.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Ladies, ladies leading together.
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All right, everybody.
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Cortney's been here a very long time.
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She is true orange through and through, and as you know, our podcast
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is about bringing local leaders and local entities to the nation.
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We have so many people moving here.
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We have so many people interested in Knoxville.
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I want to make sure that you get to know the local people.
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So Cortney was a swimmer for the University at Tennessee.
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I love to start there.
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And I know that I feel like college was yesterday for me.
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It was about 22 years ago, just being honest.
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However, it is truly amazing to know how many people started
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with the university and moved forward in leadership in Knoxville.
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Let's start how that shaped you and where you, where you are today.
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Well, I came to the University of Tennessee on a swimming scholarship.
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I'm originally from Michigan, and when I was getting recruited
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by schools, the final five that I chose were in the Southeast.
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And it was really intentional because I did
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not want to be a big fish in a small pond.
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At the time, the SEC conference was the best, most competitive
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conference, and so I really wanted a reality check on my abilities.
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So, the University of Tennessee was the last recruiting trip that I took.
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I was here in October, beautiful fall weekend.
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There was a home game.
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I mean, it was amazing.
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I fell in love.
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So, packed up my stuff, August 1998, came down to the University
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of Tennessee, swam here for four years, went to school for five,
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I got two degrees, and, you know, the experiences that I had
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at the University of Tennessee, both swimming and academically,
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really set me up for a wonderful professional life and adulthood.
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You know, Immediately going to a campus in a completely different state and
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having 20, 40 immediate best friends, there's no better feeling like it.
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There is no better feeling like it because
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then you immediately have the support system.
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And what I also really loved about the University of Tennessee, um,
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you know, I talked to a lot of different colleges and universities.
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I went to five of them.
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Every, one of the, well, four of the five that I
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went to, women's athletics felt like an afterthought.
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And I came here and women's athletics had its own identity.
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It had its own support system.
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And they didn't make you feel like, well, you're
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kind of a few steps below men's athletics.
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You know, thank you for being here, pat, on the head.
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The University of Tennessee, the Women's Athletics Department was
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right on par with male athletes and the male athletic department.
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And you just, you felt that when you arrived on campus.
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So...
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Thank God for the leadership of Pat Summitt.
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Pat Summitt, Joan Cronin, Carrie Howell.
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I just, you know,
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and I had the opportunity to go to school and see those
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women in those leadership roles for four and five years.
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And at the time, I don't think I realized how unique of experience that
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was to have that many women in leadership roles that, you know, again, they
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had an athletic department, they had a system, they had a business that was
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treated with the same level of respect as the men's athletic department,
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and so that shaped me in ways that I'm only just now starting to realize.
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So I've interviewed Joan.
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I've done a television series with Joan.
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I've done a lot of leadership with Joan, a lot of speaking engagements
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with her, and with Dana Hart over at the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame.
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She obviously works very closely with the athletic departments.
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That is something that I've actually said to Joan before.
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I've said, you know, as I am aging.
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Um, there are things that I absorbed from conversations many
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years ago that have just now started to shape who I am today.
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And the impact that the University of Tennessee Athletic Department, especially
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for women, has had is just now shaping the next leadership section of Knoxville.
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And most of that is women, and we would not be here without them.
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I don't even know how If they truly realize the impact they've had, because
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you can tell them all day, you know, you can tell somebody they've impacted you
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all day, but I don't even know if they truly experience that change and impact.
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Somebody impacted them, they've impacted somebody else.
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So I think that, I think they get the concept of it, but University of
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Tennessee, Knoxville has absolutely shaped female leadership in a capacity
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that Knoxville is completely changing the trajectory of conversation there.
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And you're leading that conversation with your communications company.
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So that is the perfect segue.
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Tell us how you ended up.
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Well, how I ended up here, Julia, is I needed to pay my mortgage, quite simply.
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[laughs] As you know, I ran for county
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commission during the term limit turmoil days.
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Absolutely nobody will remember that, but you and I am sure of it.
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Always a treasure.
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You know, and I got, I got sort of bit by the political bug.
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I was a political science major in college, so I'd always been
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really interested in government and civics, but when I ran for county
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commission, I thought, "Oh, you know, local politics, state, I love this.
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This is, this is exciting."
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And so I was working for a nonprofit at the time and doing
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communications and fundraising, then worked on a U.S.
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Senate campaign.
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And so when all that was done, I sort of looked around and was like, "Okay.
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I think I want to go into the private sector
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part of communications and public relations.
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Let me start talking to some local PR firms."
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Well, it was the end of 2008, and we all know what was happening then.
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There was a giant recession, and so everyone I talked to said,
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"Well, we're not going to be hiring, but thank you very much.
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Come back in a year or two."
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So, I was like, "Well, I have a mortgage to pay now.
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What am I supposed to do?"
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And my, my boyfriend at the time, now my husband
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said, "Well, why don't you just start freelancing?
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And then you do that for about two years.
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The economy will pick back up.
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You find a full time job, and you're good to go."
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And I was like, "Oh, that is brilliant!
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That is a great idea!"
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So that's what I started doing, and I did it for about three months.
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And at that point I went, "Wait a minute, why don't I just make this a thing?
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Why don't I just make this a business?
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I think I can do this."
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And I'd always been really interested in energy, environment, technology.
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And through, through campaigning and just through government stuff, I got
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to know people at Oakridge National Lab, TVA, the University of Tennessee.
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And I thought there are these three amazing energy assets
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here in East Tennessee that's really shaping the world.
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Let alone the country.
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I mean, we're talking country, region, world, everything.
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And I thought, you know, I think with this business, I want
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to pursue a subject matter expertise with clean energy.
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And I wonder if these guys would just let me go
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to things, because I have a lot more to learn.
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At this point, you know, it's the end of 2008.
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I'm just sort of interested in the subject matter,
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but I don't exactly have a lot of expertise.
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And so one of the people that I went to was Tom Ballard,
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who was then the director of partnerships at Oak Ridge
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National Lab, and I told him what I wanted to do.
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And I said, "Look, is there anything here that
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I can go to and just be a fly on the wall?
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Anything where the public might be invited, I have to sign up.
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Whatever."
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And he said, "Yeah, actually, we do have a couple of events like that.
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I'll let you know when they're happening."
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So he let me know, and I went and I heard researchers present.
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I went to user conferences.
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I just went to anything that was happening in the Oak Ridge area where I
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could learn about technology, research, problems, policy, business, anything.
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And that experience really validated that, yes, I'm interested enough
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in this subject matter to have a business about it, and there's
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enough here to have a business with a subject matter expertise.
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So off I went, started Piper Communications.
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And one of the first things that I did was work on
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some climate and energy policy in Washington, D.C.
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And after all that was done, you know, one of my jobs was to organize ad
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hoc business coalitions in 15 states to inform that policy and the positive.
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And when all that was done, I looked at Tennessee, I looked at
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Arkansas, there's South Carolina, there were a couple others too.
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And I thought, you know, there are a lot more what we
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had been calling clean energy companies in these states.
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And I bet anyone had ever realized, I wonder if
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they would find value in all coming together.
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So in Tennessee in particular, I ran focus groups for
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about two or three years and just met with people.
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Um, Would you find value in this?
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What would you want it to do?
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And the resounding answer was yes, we would find value in this
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industry as a whole, getting together and having one voice,
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but we don't need another organization that's going to debate
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whether a particular technology is clean, green, or sustainable.
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We need something that looks at energy innovation
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as a means to economic development and job creation.
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That's where our biggest assets are.
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TBA, UT, Oak Ridge National Lab.
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And if we can have an organization that focuses on that innovation
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as a means to economic development and job creation, we're in.
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And I said, okay, I can do that.
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I can do that, but will you join?
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They said yes.
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That was about 2013.
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That was how the Tennessee Advanced Energy Business Council was formed.
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It's a 501c3.
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I serve as executive director of that as well.
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And Piper Communications staffs it.
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So, you know, it's just one of those things where I
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noticed that there was an opportunity to do something,
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and instead of sitting around and going, "Gosh, you know,
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I wonder it would be really great if, what if we were just
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like," no, let's, let's go make something happen, and we did.
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And it's, uh, you know, the organization is doing great things to
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just champion advanced energy as an economic development and job
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creation strategy and do it in a way that brings people together.
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Let's find commonality.
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Let's find common ground.
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Let's look at how innovation can create economic development
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and job, economic development and job creation opportunities.
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So during, during this last decade and a half, growing this
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amazing organization using limited tools at the time, right?
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The, uh, what was it?
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The Innovation Corridor that whatever it was just starting
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those conversations in 2011, 2012, really and truly.
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So you were in the middle of the beginning stages of the best
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and highest use of what E Tech has brought to the table today.
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East Tennessee Environmental, what is it?
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East Tennessee
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Economic Council.
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Economic Council.
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I always say Energy Council.
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It's not.
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It's Economic Council.
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But you have literally created a niche inside of this system that needed to be
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brought together and discuss the end result, not argue the way to get there.
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And during all of this same time, I want to get a little personal
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because I believe it's really important for people moving here.
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And there are 3,000 new employees moving here in this sector alone who will
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want to know who you are and need to know who you are and relate to you.
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You had a wedding, you have a family, you have triplets.
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I do, two girls and a boy.
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And you also started another organization.
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At the same time, within the school districts, tell us a little about that.
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Sure.
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Well, my, my son has autism.
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He's autistic.
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And we took him through Tennessee, uh, early, uh, Early Intervention.
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And then you, once you turn three years old, you go
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through Child Find, which is through the school system.
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And so when he started doing that, uh, in the Pre-K part of his educational
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career, he had something called an individualized education plan.
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of kindergarten was really, really rough on him.
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is, you know, first of all, he needed more support in
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the classroom and that's what an IEP is supposed to do.
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It's supposed to be individualized and customized to students.
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East Tennessee Children's Hospital prescribed ABA therapy.
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autism, and our insurance was paying for it.
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He was approved for 30 hours a week.
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And I said, "Look, can we, can his therapist join him in the classroom?"
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It is like, it is free for everybody, you know,
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and these are professionals and they are certified.
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They're professionals.
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My insurance is paying for it.
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The doctor prescribed it.
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And the first response that I got back from the school
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system was, "Well, we have a policy against that.
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Just like we don't allow piano lessons or karate lessons in the school."
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And immediately I was like, listen, absolutely
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no one is going to speak to me that way.
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the same as an extracurricular activity.
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within the school district about what is this?
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We have a policy against it.
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And so I said, can you please show me this policy?
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I'd like to understand it.
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I'd like to read it.
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I'd like to, you know, figure out how to work with it.
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So after a couple of months of that, nobody could send me a
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policy and then finally I got someone from the school system
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that said, actually, we don't have a policy against it.
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It's more of a practice, and I thought, this is crazy town.
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So I was able to find a couple other mothers that were
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experiencing the exact same thing and we organized.
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We got together, we started going to school board meetings.
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every single school board meeting and we spoke.
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together a policy to explicitly allow this kind of thing, Let's draft one.
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So I hired an attorney that had done some research on this matter.
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And I said, listen, if you were drafting a public policy to allow
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ABA professionals in the classroom, like what would it look like?
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I feel like we need to give Knox County schools a jumping off point, and he'd
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done a lot of research and found that the state of Louisiana allowed this.
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And listen, as somebody that went to the University of
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Tennessee for Louisiana to be ahead of us on something,
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I was like, that can't, it just can't be, it cannot be.
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You know, and so he found other school
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districts in the state, across the country.
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And so he had a lot of good information.
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He drafted a policy and we put that in front of the school board and that's
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what finally got them to say, okay, well maybe we should draft a policy to
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allow not only these kinds of therapists, but other private practitioners.
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And so we were just like, you know, finally, you know, we met with the mayor,
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we met with the county commission chair, we met with the superintendent.
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In addition to going to every single school board meeting and speaking.
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So finally, in June 2023, the school board passed a policy to allow
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private practitioners, ABA therapists being one of the practitioners,
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into the school so that, you know, children with autism can get
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all the support that they need to be successful in the classroom.
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So, you know, that was a really rewarding experience.
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And because of that, the school system, I guess, in their
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infinite wisdom, Also put me on a special education task force
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which has morphed into a special education council where we're
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providing feedback and input on how to improve special education.
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The chairwoman of the Knox County Board of Education
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actually put forward and passed a resolution to make Knox
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County a model school district for special education.
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So we are working diligently to that end to make sure that it happens
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because When if you have a child with special needs, the public school
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system is the absolute best place for them to be when we get it right.
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And it does take a lot of parent involvement and advocacy to get it right.
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So I'm confident that we can get there.
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It's going to take a lot of work and it's going
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to take a lot of engagement, but we'll get there.
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This is a good lesson.
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People always ask, how can I get involved?
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How do I change things?
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I don't understand this process.
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Listening to you list off the consistency of meetings, effort,
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conversations, and of course during all of those times elections
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happen, people get re elected, reappointed, not appointed, moved.
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Um, so you're always starting from almost a
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new space every time you walk in the door.
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So how long did it take you from start to finish to start?
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To really ingrain this conversation, get it drafted,
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get it passed, and get the alliance started.
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So my first email when I was just sort of flying
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solo to the school district was August of 2022.
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And then it was somewhere around December or Jan, December
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2022 or January 2023 where I started finding other people.
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And somewhere between December and February is where we really
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gained momentum, and we found about half a dozen of us first.
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And, uh, so it was, I mean, it, yeah, it took less
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than a year for everybody to get involved and engaged.
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But once we started finding each other, we were
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very intentional about, okay, there's the six of us.
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There's got to be more of us.
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How do we find more of us?
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Facebook.
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We started a Facebook group.
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So, we're going to meetings, we need to have a plan for meetings, we need
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to have a consistent message when we speak in front of the school board.
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We also need to make sure that we're always there, that at least
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two people can constantly show up and be there to share their story.
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Well, now we need to form individual relationships with school board members.
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Who is your school board member?
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Who is your school board member?
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Who do you know through other things that you can also add on to your list?
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And making sure that as our group grew, they understood the importance of
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reaching out to their school board member and just sharing their story.
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It can be via email.
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You can give them a call.
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If you want to, you can go grab coffee with them, but
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just share your story with that school board member.
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So, you know, All told, it did.
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It's actually a little bit remarkable thinking about it, but it took less
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than a year, but we were always very, very consistent, and we always had
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a plan, and we were always really intentional about what we were doing.
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Never underestimate the power of a female who needs
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to pay her mortgage and take care of her kids.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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During the, so we're transitioning, you went from Choosing
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UT, or maybe really UT wanted you so badly it chose you.
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You came at the perfect time, with the perfect home game, and the
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perfect feel of the outside in the fall, and everything was great.
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Everything came together.
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You stayed, and we're so pleased that you did.
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Started Piper Communications, put together
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this, I'm not going to say nuclear alliance, but
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Clean energy, yes.
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Ya know, started a family, have stayed here, started an
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alliance within the school districts, what's the next move?
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I had, and I asked that with a little bit of a caveat and purposeful
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redirection of the NOW Conference, which is where I ran into you, and asked
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you to be on this podcast, because your relevancy, Um, during my time as well,
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so during the time that you were starting all of your stuff is when I was
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also running for my first political office, so the growth and the relevancy
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there of knowing kind of the battle that you've fought through that specific
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section of, of the energy sector, I could say, um, and watching you grow
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this amazing business on top of everything else that you're doing, Thank
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you Running into you at the NOW Conference was such a fortuitous moment.
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Explain what that is to everybody, why you were
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there, what your role is and where it's going.
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The NOW Conference is the Nuclear Opportunities Workshop.
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It's put together by ETEC, the East Tennessee Economic Council.
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I just happened to be chair elect this year.
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I will be the chair next year.
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So I was there in that capacity.
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I was also there because the Tennessee Advanced
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Energy Business Council was a supporter of the event.
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We run something in partnership with Launch Tennessee called the
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Energy Network, where we provide mentoring to energy entrepreneurs.
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And so we were there to promote our organization and
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those services and a bunch of different services that
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Launch Tennessee also has to support energy entrepreneurs.
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Nuclear energy entrepreneurs, of course, being a big
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focus for east Tennessee, because we have so many assets.
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And, you know, in terms of what's next, it has been remarkable to see how
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what we've called the advanced energy industry grow in the state of Tennessee.
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And nuclear energy is certainly part of that.
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The last time the Tennessee Advanced Energy Business Council
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released an economic impact report, we found that there
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were more than 20,000 businesses in the advanced energy.
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Sector and it employs nearly 394,000 Tennesseans.
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So this is a really, really, really big part of our economy and
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what we're starting to see now in particular with nuclear in
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East Tennessee is all of our assets are getting on the same page.
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They are getting aligned.
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We've got the Department of Energy that has property and land that's available.
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We've got local governments, Roane County, Anderson County, the City of Oak
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Ridge are all on the same page in terms of economic development and recruitment.
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They have You know, and it's taken a lot of work, but they've all been
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able to collaborate on, listen, we've got goals for economic development.
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We want to build an advanced nuclear cluster.
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That means we might have to say no to some things that would give us an easy
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win, but it's not going to be a long term fit for what we want to build here.
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And you know, Terry Franks, Warren Gooch, Wayne Creswell, to their
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credit, they have been able to work together to bring home some big, big,
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big wins in advanced nuclear.
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So my hat is off to them.
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And you know, I believe, and I'll, I'll take just a wee bit of credit
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for this, I think it's, you know, organizations like ours that are
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championing energy as an economic development and job creation strategy.
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And you don't have to pick one, you know, in East Tennessee, nuclear
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energy are assets tend to align there in west Tennessee with, uh, Ford's
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Blue City, they're going all in on electrification and electric vehicles.
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All of this is part of the bigger picture.
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All of this is going to provide better job opportunities for all Tennesseans.
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And so the more that you can elevate that message of innovation as a means
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to economic development and job creation, the more wins we will see in
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Tennessee, the more intellectual property we will see stay in this state
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and in this country, and the more opportunities you give in our case,
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Tennesseans, to just have better careers and provide for their families.
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Where can people find more information about your organization?
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I feel like as we continue to grow, and I know
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that Wade and Terry have been working very hard.
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I mean, we've all been working very hard pretty
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much for the past 20 years to make this happen.
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I know the governor's initiative to make Tennessee the nuclear, you know, space.
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Yes.
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Oh my gosh.
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I can't, I cannot forget Governor Lee.
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Give credit where credit is due.
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He made that Nuclear Energy Opportunity Fund, which was not a small lift.
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I mean, this was not a small ask of the Tennessee General Assembly.
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A very large investment pot of money to go into an industry that can
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pay off in spades, but that needs that that kind of incentive in order
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to locate here and for Tennesseans to realize the benefits of it.
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So he did that for our Orano, which is one of the newest announcements.
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He did that for Type One Energy.
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He also did that for for Blue Oval City and a host
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of other kind of battery related and electric.
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electric vehicle related economic development wins across the state.
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So Governor Lee also deserves a lot of credit.
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He sees the potential of advanced energy and energy innovation
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across all sectors as a means to lift Tennesseans up.
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And he has put together some very strategic
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programs, policies, and initiatives to get us there.
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He has some really great advisors like Cortney Piper.
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We've been very lucky to have two great governors in a row.
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Another one to continue this on.
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I feel like all the initiatives that we've all taken
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over the last 20 years to move Tennessee into a space.
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That would be energy friendly and in a leadership position
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are finally culminating with the right people around them.
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So Cortney, thank you very much for being a massive part of that because
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without you this entire organization may or may not have been started,
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but it has definitely gotten to the point where it is better communicated.
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With Piper Communications, people understand what
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the goal is and they want to be a part of it.
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And having leadership that allows all people to be involved is
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something that is very relevant, something that you are very good
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at making sure that there is inclusivity and great communication.
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So again, thank you so much for everything that you do.
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We're going to wrap it up because I've taken a very large
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part of your time this morning, and I appreciate that.
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But where can people find you?
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How can they get involved?
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And what can they do to help you move this forward?
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Well, I'm all over the internet, so if you Google my name, you will find me.
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The Tennessee Advanced Energy Business Council,
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you can find out more at TNAdvancedEnergy.
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com.
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And Piper Communications is Piper Energy.
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Communications with an S dot com.
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Again, you can also Google my name.
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I don't have a U in it and it'll take you to LinkedIn and everything else.
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So Julia, thank you so much for this opportunity.
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This has been fun.
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Been very fun.
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I thank you very much.
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Count on us being part of the NOW Conference next year and anything
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you need between now and then we are always happy to help everyone.
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This has been another episode of Connect the Knox.
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Connecting Knoxville to the nation.
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Until next time.
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Thank you for tuning into the show.
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Make sure to like and subscribe, leave a five star review
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on your podcast player of choice, and if you would like
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information on moving to Knoxville, send me a private message.
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As always, this is Julia Hurley connecting Knoxville to the nation.