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Welcome, everybody, to another episode of Connect the Knox.
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I'm your host, Julia Hurley, connecting Knoxville to the nation.
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Today with us is a gentleman that I did not know that I knew
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for a long time until we actually re met each other at an event.
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We'll get into that story in a minute.
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Brian Strong with 10 hats.
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And I'm going to let him explain all of this to you.
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It went way over my head, which means that he has gone way above
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and beyond our, our original training courses from Sandler Sales.
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Brian, thank you so much for being here with us today.
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Well, thanks, Julia, for having me.
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Yes, of course.
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So let's start with Knoxville.
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How did we end up in Knoxville?
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Tell us our history and roots of Knoxville, a little bit about
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your company after that, and then we'll just take it from there.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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So I was actually born in Dupuyt, Kentucky.
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My mom and dad moved from, dad started at Oak Ridge National Lab, before
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that moved to Paducah, and then, uh, we, I lived 4 years in California in
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5th, grade, and then moved here 4 days before I started here at high school.
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And so I've been here ever since.
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While I was in college, I was a finance major, started doing a little
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bit of a, um, financial planning and really decided that I didn't
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want the responsibility of picking stocks for people that would
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ultimately end up in their, Retirement being successful or the demise.
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So I just, I didn't want to watch the stock market every day.
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I got into, uh, sales.
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So it's kind of funny.
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My first sales job, I sold railroad material, actual
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rails, you know, spikes and turnouts and stuff like that.
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And then from there, well, went on to, uh, like telecom and then into IT.
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So I was kind of, you know, finding it kind of funny.
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From the same point of my career, I was, you know, Heavy industrial or some
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of the very first technologies, old technologies of just a railroad system
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and all the way up into, you know, kind of, um, leading edge technology.
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How inter So, this is one of those conversations that
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I have when people bring me something new that I don't
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It's an industry that obviously needs to sell things.
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You can put it in your head that obviously somebody has
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to do that job, but you never think somebody in Knoxville
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goes around and sells railroad equipment and ties.
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You just immediately somehow magically think that the old
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school Rockefeller family has their own little railroad
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existence place and that's where it all comes from.
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Oh yeah, that's exactly right.
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It was, uh, it was, it was fascinating.
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Uh, you know, we sold some new rail that we mainly sold used rail.
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That was the craziest thing.
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They would tear up old rail lines and then they
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would, you know, put it in different places.
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It was, it was fascinating.
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I liked it just because, you know, I like trains.
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I mean, what little boy doesn't like trains and stuff like that?
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So, you know, and I was, I was getting to live that as an, as an adult.
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So that was, that was fun.
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I traveled, I traveled all the time.
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I was in 17 states and a year and a half or something like that.
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That's
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amazing.
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So you left that industry and you came back home?
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Yeah.
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So I was here in Knoxville.
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It was actually called Unitrack at the time, and then I got into, uh, it was
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more in industrial sales, and I had a Sunday school teacher that I wanted to
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learn hardcore sales or whatnot, and he had a manager that was in the telecom.
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I didn't care what industry it was.
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It just happened to be in the telecom industry.
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And, uh, he was a very pivotal role in my career.
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His name was Jake Soudan.
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And, uh, he just taught me the diligence of cold
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calling and, you know, just getting out there.
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I mean, if you were in the office too long, he'd kick you out and, you know, it
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was just, uh, you know, the follow up and all these kinds of different things.
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And then, uh, from there, what was, uh, I was pretty successful
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and I got recruited to, uh, a technology firm, RM Technologies.
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Around 2005, you know, that's kind of where
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I got into the, you know, really IT business.
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That company became Claris Networks, and
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so I worked there for six and a half years.
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Um, that's actually where we met.
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I mean, you know, you know, um, a few years ago.
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I know this is a side story from our story.
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This morning we went to an event and there was another gentleman there
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standing there and as soon as I walked up to the table to pick up
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my name tag and I've been a member of this organization for going on
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now this is our third year and this is the first time I've seen him
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there and he goes Julia Hurley and I was like Sandler Sales Training.
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I knew that guy the minute I was like oh my god this
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was 25 years ago and I still when I saw you I was like
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we already know each other you know so it's so odd.
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It was not that long ago or at least let's lie and say it wasn't that long ago.
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It feels like it, friend.
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It does.
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Okay, that's true.
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I like that.
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That's too funny.
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So yeah, that's where we met.
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And then I left Claris in 2012, and I started a company, uh, called
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Vendor Registry, which was a, um, uh, we did a registration, um, platform.
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We help run purchasing departments for public entities, so cities,
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counties, local government, you know, all kinds of different
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local governments and we built that company, um, you know, for a
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number of years and we had 600 governments all across the country.
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Using that platform.
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Um, and it sold to, sold in 2020.
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Yeah.
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So we became the, we were the sixth largest, uh,
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registration system in the country for public procurement.
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We got bought by like number two and then they bought
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a couple other ones and they became number one.
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So it, it was really good success story that we have there.
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And, uh, even.
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Chris VanDeek, my partner at Vendor Registry, he
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still works for the company and still doing that.
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So, and then in, roughly in 2020, I did a short
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stint at RDI Technologies and then SH Data Tech.
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That's prior to 10 Habs.
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And there was a bunch of, uh, there were several CLRES folks that were there.
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They started recruiting me back in.
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They were just having some issues of scale and sales and marketing.
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The company was partially owned at the time by Covenant Health.
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And so they had a, we had a, 10, 000 foot datacenter.
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Here is the first datacenter built in this area in 20 years.
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They just needed, you know, some leadership and some
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guidance from the sales and marketing standpoint.
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I actually called them nodes again when I was just like, I'm not interested.
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Claris was, you know, for those people that are
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familiar with it, it was lightning in a bottle.
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We had, uh, it was just a great success, a great run.
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It was a lot of fun.
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And it's just like, could you rebuild that again?
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And lightning strike twice.
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Um, so.
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It took them a little bit to convince me, and so I did finally come over here.
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The company, one thing is that small businesses have trouble with,
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they get to a certain level, and then they can't grow past that.
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And so, through the experience of Claris, we
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were 2008 2009, when the economy hit the skids.
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We went from, I think it was like, 55, 60 employees down
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to like 23 in like 90, 120 days, something like that.
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I mean, it was all our projects dried up and Larry Bodie was the CEO at the
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time and he goes, hey, you know, that was a time too when You lost your job.
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You couldn't find one.
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I mean, it was, it was terrible.
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We were bleeding learning and just Larry and the leadership, like,
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and I really rallied the team goes, hey, you guys are all handpicked,
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you know, we're going to have to change our process procedures,
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you know, we're going to have to do a bunch of different things.
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But if you guys just stick with me.
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You know, we can grow.
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We can get out of this.
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We have the customer base.
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We have the cash flow.
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We just got to, we just got to be better at
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what we do and efficient with fewer people.
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And so going through that experience really led us to a different plateau
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and, you know, even beyond what we actually want to do here at Synapse.
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But you know, they became one of the top 10 largest MSDs.
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in the country when they sold.
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You know, that experience helped me over here at Tin Hats to really break
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through that barrier of the small business, really, you know, Covenant
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was really good about letting me recruit my team and put those people
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in place that we could build an organization to scale and to grow and
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Over the last three years, we've actually grown by like 500 percent.
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Ryan, you're killing it down there in Knoxville.
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We're doing, you know, we're doing very well.
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And, uh, you know, we always have room to grow.
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And, uh, you know, we're, you know, the one
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thing about us is that we're never content.
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Where we are today is not where we're going to be tomorrow.
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And we're always, you know, progressing forward.
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So, um, you know, to get better and better, you just, you know, every
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company's got its problems and, you know, we get them all fixed.
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I mean, our, you know, what we say is our goal is for our clients is
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that, you know, uh, uh, Our goal is for them to never call with an issue.
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Um, is that achievable?
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Probably not.
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But every, every time we strive to get a little bit closer to
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that, our ticket count goes down, the reliability goes up, you
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know, it's a symbiotic relationship where it's good for the
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client, it's good for the company, and we all can win together.
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Over my head.
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It's not a, it's not an industry I'm actually familiar with in
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any capacity at all outside of The generalization of it, and I'm
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going to bet the people listening to this podcast are considering
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relocating to the market, possibly employment in the market.
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Explain it.
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Yeah, so basically what, uh, TenHat is two
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different companies kind of rolled up into one.
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We actually have a data center where we house servers.
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And so we have lots of internet connectivity.
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We have a lot of redundancy in here.
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So if the power goes out, we've got generator backup and UPS and all that stuff.
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If you have an industry moving into town, it's a very unique asset.
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It's one of the 16 major assets that a
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community needs is like good IT infrastructure.
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And so that's what we provide for, um, you know,
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larger companies to be able to house their servers.
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Also, um, on the MSP side, we're an IT firm, consulting firm.
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So we'll, people can, so the 10 hats is, it's emblematic, right?
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So if, you know, if you're a small business, you know, IT usually rolls up to
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somebody in accounting and finance, and they're wearing multiple hats, right?
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You know, trying to juggle all the different
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things that happens in a small business, right?
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And so for us, we can take on that IT hat, and you can outsource your IT
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to us, and we'll, we have helpdesk, we can help with all the equipment,
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make sure your email runs, backups, and all those kind of different things.
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And if you're a larger company, Uh, the way we look at it, too,
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is that you may have, you may have an IT staff, and they're
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proficient at, like, six of the ten different functions of IT.
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But we can come along beside them and take those other four
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to help the company be, you know, successful and well rounded.
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We partner with, um, a lot of, uh, larger
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companies here in town that have IT staff.
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Half of our customers, Have IT staff, you know, right now.
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They could have one to, we have one that has a couple dozen.
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Yeah, so it's kind of, we kind of fit in that niche,
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kind of wherever, kind of morphed to whatever we need.
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So that's really interesting.
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Genuinely, because I'm a business owner, and I've been a
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business recruiter, and I've worked with Chambers, I still
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don't even know the 16 things that companies truly look for.
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Knoxville is just so well suited for everything, but I would assume
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that being the technology corridor, As we are at this point in our, our
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tenure as Knoxville, that is something that would be high on that list,
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especially now that we have Amazon and things along that nature that
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really, really, really need their IT department come heck or high water.
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It's gotta be up.
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It's gotta be running.
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The information's gotta be there.
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The servers have to run.
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How big is your facility and do you have plans to keep growing that?
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, basically our facility is, uh, 10, 000 square
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feet, so we can hold roughly 400 racks of equipment.
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We have, you know, in the data center world, it's really the amount of power.
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It's, it's interesting.
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It's the amount of power you can pull into the
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facility as AI comes on the scene a lot more.
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Those servers that do AI actually consume a lot more power than your traditional
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servers that we, you know, use for running disturb scene or business operations.
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So we had two 10 megawatt feeds from both sides.
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So we had, we're actually in two different power grids, but, you know, two
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different substations that are, Powered by two different sets of power plants.
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It's pretty unique.
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So yeah, I mean, we can, we could expand if we, we needed to the
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footprint of like the floor space, but the biggest limiting factor
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of any data center is the power it can deliver to the floor.
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So I remember one of my very first real estate deals, uh, was a
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purchase for Lenore City Utility Board for a substation off North Shore.
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And I remember they had rolling blackouts during that time.
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It was either during the construction of, or right after the construction
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of, the Target Shopping Center, and I remember this happening.
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Just this entire power grid meltdown of making sure that as
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we continue to grow, there are substations to get electricity
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and being as where we are, you know, lucky that we have TVA
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and all the things that we have that bring in our electricity.
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We create a large amount of our own electricity.
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Where do you see that entire industry going?
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Because I have the feeling that it's going to, you're going to need to continue
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to grow as Knoxville continues to grow and brings these larger industries in.
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And you'll need more power.
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Where is this, is there like a conjuncture with TVA?
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Is it a conjunction with Visit Knoxville, The Chamber?
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How does that all work for you?
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So that, I mean, that's a big challenge in our industry today.
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I keep talking, this is a subject that keeps coming up.
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Power is going to be a limited resource as we move forward.
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You know, I mean, I don't, Blame TVA or anything like that.
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It's, you know, the forecast of AI that those
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servers are consuming four times the amount of power.
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There's an estimation over the next two to three years.
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That, you know, data centers will consume a 3rd of the power in the world.
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And so it's, you know, from a, you know, and when TVA is, you know, or.
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A B or any of these, well, it's really TVA doing the power plants.
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I mean, they're looking at it at a 10 to 20 year
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horizon to build a facility it takes, right?
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And then all the regulations and, uh, you know, I mean, from the
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political standpoint, you know, there are pressures to be more green
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from that standpoint, but the demand of power is exceeding what those
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capacities, you know, what those technologies can do at this point.
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So we get funny, like, and then we also have.
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EVs that are coming on to the scene too, and
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they're consuming a lot of, um, power as well.
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So we're, it's a, it's a really interesting time where the
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regulations are coming down to make it cleaner, which I agree.
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I mean, I don't disagree with any of this.
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You know, I mean, we want a healthy earth from the standpoint, but
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the power demands are increasing and the regulations are squeezing.
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So, I mean, it's, Our companies have a, um, um, they're
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walking like a tightrope from trying to, uh, fit in millions.
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We have, I was talking to a, you know, industry expert, um,
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uh, a couple months ago, and they were talking to a data
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center operator that went out of one, uh, gigawatt data center.
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So on the, if you want to put it in perspective, like in, uh, January
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of this year, you know, when we had all the snowstorm, CDA on their
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whole entire grid at a high, and it was 34 and some change gigawatts.
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So you're thinking about one data center, you know, that has a footprint
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of a few hundred thousand square feet is going to take up one of those 35?
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That's, that's crazy.
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It's insane.
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I mean, that's just not, I don't know how, it's, the technology's got to evolve.
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Something's got to give at some point.
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I have this conversation often with, again, relocations mostly, where
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they come from somewhere else and they don't, uh, things are just
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different in different places, and Knoxville's one of those places
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where we're very familiar with coal, we're familiar with water power,
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we're familiar with how to generate electricity because we live in it.
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Like we drive past a coal power plant every day and we have nuclear.
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I think nuclear is going to be the next, uh, not that it hasn't been popular.
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I think there's always a stipulation or whatever.
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Um, you know what I'm trying to say.
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There's some kind of negativity associated with nuclear power.
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However, I understand that the governor's next initiative for the state
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of Tennessee is to become The Nuclear Center for Power by the end of 2030.
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And I think that initiative has already been put into place.
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I think that nuclear energy is going to be one
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of the only methods of clean energy left to do.
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We can only create so many dams.
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We can only run so much water.
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We can only burn so much coal.
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Heck, we can only dig so much coal.
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But I think a lot of people really don't understand where our electricity
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comes from and how difficult it truly is to manufacture and at the
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levels to keep it as affordable as we have continued to keep it.
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No, 100%.
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I mean, I think nuclear is, um, you know, is It's a
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sustainable, clean, you know, it's a whole lot more.
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I mean, there are, there is a stigma from, you know, some of the disasters
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back in the, you know, many, many years ago, but that, you know, that
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technology and everything, the advancements have grown to make it a lot safer.
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I mean, I think France is something like 85 percent plus all nuclear.
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I mean, they're very green, friendly, you know, country.
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So, I mean, it's.
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There's places all around the world that use a whole lot more than we do,
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and I think that's a, for me, I think that's a, it's a good path forward.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I think we're going to see a lot of it.
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I think that's definitely going to be something that
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you, you and people in your, I mean, you own the company.
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I think you're really going to be the forefront of
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making those connections, especially with with the new
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UT, very specifically geared toward nuclear engineering.
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I think there's a reason that Knoxville is going that way.
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I feel like that Knoxville wants to be a tech hub, wants to be an energy hub.
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And you are, you're literally already in the, in the middle of it.
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I can see in the background of your office here, you're
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literally in the middle of the growth of Knoxville.
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There's a, there's a crane in your window.
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Yeah.
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We're at the ballpark is being built like right in our back door.
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So yeah, the new Smokies stadium.
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Yeah, it looks good.
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And then on the IT side of it, too, is like
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what we're trying to help is businesses.
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You know, use technology to, you know, thrive and grow, you
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know, it's, it's one of those where in the past technology
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was just kind of one of those things that you had to have.
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It was kind of a necessary evil where, you know, today's time,
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you know, technology is becoming essential and it's a, you know,
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it's becoming a competitive advantage on how you use your data.
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Um, also, uh, you, you think about this, I mean, I kind of say we're all,
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uh, we all run technology companies, they just happen to be in different.
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Industry.
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So if you think about if you took the technology out of your industry, real
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estate, you know, I mean, how could you know, how could you do your business
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without, you know, really the NLS printed on paper and stuff like that?
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I mean, it would mean it would drastically reduce.
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You're a competitive advantage, right?
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How do you use social media?
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How are we doing this podcast?
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I mean, all these different things on how we, uh, advance our businesses,
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really tech companies doing, you know, this certain, you know, business aspect.
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Yeah.
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I think that technology is going to continue to thrive and change.
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I see the future of Knoxville being, I believe this, truly
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believe we are literally just starting our growth path.
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And I think that businesses like yours are
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going to continue to want to be in Knoxville.
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I feel like since you already have an established
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business in Knoxville, that you will have a leg up on that
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conversation and those doors to be open for you as you grow.
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I know a lot of people that listen to this podcast
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are looking for career changes as they move here.
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They are talking with us about, hey, we want to be able to work from home.
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We need information.
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We need, uh, server farms.
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We need people to house our information for our large corporations.
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I know the Chamber is constantly recruiting for large companies
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to come here, and they can't do that without companies like yours.
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So even having, having that in our backyard instead of,
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plus in Chattanooga or in Nashville and having to rent that
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space, having it here locally makes a massive difference.
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in the ability for growth.
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And I don't know if people really understand that connection.
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So thank you for sharing that today.
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Um, oddly enough, we've nearly hit our time.
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I can talk to you all day about technology and power and how that works.
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It's, um, being, you know, a politician for a decade,
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energy has always been on, on the conversation.
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So I've seen a lot of growth and change in Knoxville,
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uh, with the right people in place, we are going places.
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And I feel like you're definitely in that place.
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And we appreciate you being here.
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And I want to take a minute for fire round.
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All right, favorite restaurant.
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We were talking about this the other day.
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There's so many awesome ones in here in Knoxville like right now.
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So, I'm gonna say, uh, Keffy.
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Keffy is your favorite restaurant.
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You know, they just did an update on the interior design in there.
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They posted it on their Insta.
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Oh, did they really?
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Oh
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yeah.
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It looks really good.
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It looks really, really classy.
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Love it.
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Very, very happy about Keppe.
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I really like that red.
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What he's doing too, over Chay Holloway.
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I mean, like, there's so many good ones.
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I mean, it's like I'm not knocking all the ones out there.
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I mean, I love 'em all.
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Oh, Oliver.
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Yes.
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Oliver.
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I love Oliver.
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I know you tried to explain it to me.
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It's, it's really interesting.
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People will ask me all the time, Hey, uh, I'm new to town.
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Where would you recommend that?
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I go and I immediately say, please go to Oliver Royale.
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Sit on the patio.
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Best cheese plate in Knoxville.
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Best cheese, you can get a couple of cocktails, a cheese plate,
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enjoy yourself, beautiful scenery, great location, and amazing food.
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Always a win for me.
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Always a win.
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Uh, favorite pub or brewery?
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Man, we are big cocktail people.
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Harvest has some amazing cocktails.
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I mean, amazing cocktails.
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The last time I was at Harvest, I needed one.
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I was like, maybe half.
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I think I'm good.
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I will not be ordering a second.
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They pour them strong.
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They do.
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I mean, they have some really good stuff.
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I mean, the Maple Room.
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The Maple Room has probably my favorite Old Fashioned in town.
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I mean, it is just amazing.
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I mean, they use pure maple syrup in there.
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It is so good.
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So it reminds me of our trip to Vermont.
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Everything, everything, I mean, if it didn't
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have maple syrup in it, I was shocked.
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It was delicious.
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Everything was delicious.
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Alright, favorite gas station?
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Um, uh, um, Ryan's.
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I mean, you know, you have to go to the local gas station.
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Do you have a favorite gas station location?
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I have found that this, it matters to me.
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Well, yeah, I mean, I live in Westfield, so there's one right outside
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on Wesley that you'll see me dropping by at least once a week, you know.
477
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Yeah, I actually drive from my office on South Peters
478
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all the way down, just so I can get to a Weigel's.
479
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It is very preferable.
480
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Yeah, I hope the Weigel family tunes into my podcast.
481
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I am pretty positive we talk about Weigels on every episode.
482
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I'm going to send them every episode and say, listen
483
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friends, you need to know you're on my podcast.
484
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That's right.
485
00:23:30,985 --> 00:23:31,355
Yeah.
486
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Everybody loves Weigel.
487
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Yeah, coffee's good.
488
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Everything's good.
489
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Everything is good there.
490
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All right, my friend, listen, I'm going to let you go.
491
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I really appreciate you.
492
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Let everybody know where they can find your business if they need your business.
493
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It's very intricate and important that we know where to find.
494
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Yes, it's tenhats.
495
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com, T E N H A T A S dot com, or you can email me directly.
496
00:23:53,185 --> 00:23:53,735
It's brian.
497
00:23:53,985 --> 00:23:55,075
strong at tenhats.
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com.
499
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It is such a pleasure to catch up with you.
500
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I hope to see you at an AGC meeting soon.
501
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Yes, as many as I can.
502
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Absolutely, you too.
503
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I look forward to it.
504
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everybody for tuning in to another episode of Connect the Knox.
505
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I'm Julia Hurley, Connecting Knoxville to the Nation.
506
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Until next time.
507
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Thank you for tuning into the show.
508
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Make sure to like and subscribe, leave a five star review
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As always, this is Julia Hurley, Connecting Knoxville to the Nation.